Soylent Mean ([info]soylentmean) wrote,
@ 2006-06-28 17:11:00
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Current mood: facials, yay!

FFS... uhh, what now?
Warning: This page contains some graphic pictures, so be ready.

Sure, in my little FAQ, I said that I've FFS, which included all of these things:

* Bi-planer scalp advancement / brow lift (not much, as my skin was tight because I was so young)
* Frontal bossing and supra-orbital reduction (endoscopic shaving)
* Rhinoplasty
* Chin bone reduction (endoscopic shaving)
* 3mm Medpor cheek implants
* Thyroid chondroplasty, aka trachea shave

But really, what does that mean, besides being a whole trunkload of medical terms? Well, how about some pictures, then?



Straight-on


Before


One day


Three days


One week


Two weeks


One month


Two months


Eight months


With a Smile (six months)

Profile


Before


Two months


Eight months

45 degrees


Before


Two months


Eight months

And there you have it. :)

Although it really looks like there was a huge difference between 2 months and 8 months, it really felt like things were pretty settled in about 2.5 months after the surgery. Yes, there was some minor improvement as time when on, but I've never failed to pass since having FFS. Prior to FFS, I passed only about 80-90% of the time.

Were you happy with the care given by Dr. Z and his staff?

I really liked Dr. Z. Yes, he's definitely full of personality, but once you tell him to knock it off the "honeys" and the like, he practically becomes the perfect doctor. He never really pressured me into anything - he asked me what I didn't like about my face, and then gave the various options that he could do to fix things. His aftercare (visiting my hotel room, regularly calling to see how I was doing, responding to pages) was extremely good.

His anesthesiologist was also excellent, but his nurses weren't nearly as friendly. I tried to get them to get me just a little bit of water immediately following the surgery, and they were a bit surly and uncooperative. Unless you're having the surgery done in a regional hospital, I would highly recommended getting a nurse for the first 24 hours. [info]sokay was definitely a bit overwhelmed at the time, and looking back, we wished we had gotten a nurse.

Did you consult with other doctors, and if so, why did you choose Dr. Z?
I didn't actually consult with other doctors, but I read hundreds of testimonials and looked at hundreds of pre and post-op pictures over at the ffs-support Yahoo group. Overall, I liked Dr. Zukowski's faces a little bit less than Dr. Ousterhout's faces, but not by much. Dr. Z's faces tended to look a bit more like the original face, which I wanted. Both surgeons seemed to get much better results than a lot of the other FFS surgeons, and it appeared to me that Dr. Z has a lower "error rate" than Dr. O. To be fair to Dr. O, his faces seem to take less time to heal than Dr. Z's.

What's more, Dr. Z was about one third cheaper than Dr. O, which works out to about a $10k difference. Don't know how his prices compare these days.

How much did everything cost?
Roughly $25k, including the cost of driving from Minneapolis to Chicago, lodging for one week, food, and the surgery itself.

Did you have any complications afterwards?
Not really, no. Some pussing, some bleeding, some oozing, but nothing major. I had trouble sleeping for a while, but that cleared up pretty quickly, once my nose settled down.

Eight months after surgery, the only remaining side effects are relatively minor. Some numbness on my right cheek (feels like Novacaine) and increased/reduced sensation in a few areas on my scalp. The scar under my chin is fairly dark, but the one across my forehead is very clean and blends in well. The under-chin scar is not terribly noticable because of its location. No real hair regrowth in the area where the scar cuts through my hairline.

Anything you wish you had done differently?
Well, the lip injections have entirely faded away. I probably wouldn't have gotten them, but Dr. Zukowski offered me a deal($400), so I thought I'd give them a try. That said, I've heard that they've worked really well for a lot of girls, and he supposedly offers "free refills" if they don't take.

Also, while my trachea is less noticable than it used to be, it's not quite as good as I had hoped it would end up. It's not bad however, and certainly nothing worth getting worked up about.

Additionally, the cheek implant on the left side of my face (stage right in photos) is more pronounced, due to the fact that it's a couple millimeters higher and more outside on my face. To be fair, that's how my face looked *prior* to FFS, but that wasn't balanced out through FFS.

Any thoughts on FFS and transition in general?
Do it! Besides getting married, FFS was the single best decision I've ever made for myself. It's made my life immeasurably better. People smile at me more, and are more positive and sharing when talking to me. I don't have to worry about passing, or makeup - I can wake up in the morning, throw on a t-shirt, and head to the local convenience store without having to worry about having the right makeup on. I feel safer, knowing that I don't have to worry as much about harassment/assault because I look trans. I also feel much better about myself - I don't worry nearly as much about seeing "the old me" in the mirror.

Honestly, I have absolutely no regrets about it - even if the side effects had ended up being much worse, I still would have done it.

Extra advice to those getting FFS w/ Zukowski:
* If you're having a partner there, you should both read my wife [info]sokay's entries: day 1, day 3, day 5, day 5 #2, and day 6.
* Use sorbet for getting the pills down - it feels great in your throat, and makes you feel good.
* Do your massaging in the shower, but make sure you have eaten and drank some water beforehand, or you'll end up passing out like I did.
* Take at least two weeks off from work. I ended up working from home at 1.5 weeks, and I was completely and utterly exhausted at the end of the day.




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[info]wookieesncream
2006-06-28 11:10 pm UTC (link)
a truly awesome transformation! i hope you're happy with the outcome, because you're some pretty hot stuffin'!

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[info]soylentmean
2006-07-16 04:41 pm UTC (link)
Thanks! I only wish I didn't have to keep pouring gravy on my head for the next two or three years. Ah well, the things we do for beauty.

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(no subject) - [info]dj_cpi, 2006-07-18 03:12 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]soylentmean, 2006-09-12 02:51 pm UTC

[info]amelie615
2006-06-28 11:21 pm UTC (link)
You are a very brave girl. And very beautiful.
*kisses*

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[info]soylentmean
2006-07-16 04:42 pm UTC (link)
Thanks, sweetie-pie!

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[info]weatherguy2000
2006-06-30 02:53 pm UTC (link)
Wow. On day 3 it looks like you got hit by a bus. But the results are very, very good. Your 6 months picture is my fave of the bunch.

There's also the subtlety of no smile to start with (you must've been miserable, and as you healed, you smiled more.

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[info]soylentmean
2006-07-16 04:42 pm UTC (link)
*nods nods* Smiles looked really weird for a while - while I could move my lips (somewhat), I couldn't move my eyebrows, so things looked a bit... off. Was much better by six months, though. :)

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[info]sajinokami
2006-07-01 12:02 am UTC (link)
owwee...
looks so painful
results turned out good though

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[info]soylentmean
2006-07-16 04:43 pm UTC (link)
Thanks, Saji.

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Very Beautiful
(Anonymous)
2006-07-01 11:57 pm UTC (link)
You are very beautiful and brave, and i'm super happy for you that you've gotten such rewarding results! Thank you for being so open and willing to share.

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caught your post
[info]monikkur
2006-07-03 12:32 am UTC (link)
Well, thankyou for your post.

Your sharing is an amazing resource for me. I replied in the forum, but I also wanted to come here and share my thanks, more personally. As a young person (21) it's really helpful to see someone who is young as well who has gone through some similar procedures i've been thinking about.

What's even better is that afterwards you were able to just move ON with your life (at least I hope so).

I'd love to bug you more and ask more questions, but I know you're probably tired of that sort of thing, so ultimately I just wanted to say thankyou! If you're willing to field some of my tired old questions let me know, but otherwise just know that your openness has helped me so much.

-moni

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Re: caught your post
[info]soylentmean
2006-07-03 01:03 am UTC (link)
Wow, 21! That's really impressive, I wish I had started at 21 (instead of 24.) But yeah, I totally agree: I wish I had had more trans people around my age that I could talk/look to at the time.

But yeah, I've pretty much totally moved on with my life. I don't really think about my transness super much (outside of electrolysis and prep for SRS.) It feels behind me, and it has since I had FFS.

In any case, I'm totally up for you asking me any questions you might have. You can IM me at marumari2002 (AIM) or soylent_mean_2022 (Yahoo!) or marumari (GTalk).

Glad I was helpful!

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[info]panorphelia
2006-07-12 06:36 am UTC (link)
You look amazing! Congratulations indeed, you've been incredibly brave :) You got an excellent result from Dr. Z. You look sooo lovely!

[ yes, and I know how it feels :) NvdD graduate myself! ]

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[info]soylentmean
2006-07-16 05:11 pm UTC (link)
Thanks, Ms. Cooties! If I might say, you look fabulous yourself - I've heard good things about Dr. NvdD, looks like he did a fantastic jobbie job!

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(no subject) - [info]panorphelia, 2006-07-16 08:12 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]susiebeeca, 2006-07-18 12:50 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]panorphelia, 2006-07-18 01:09 am UTC

[info]sorrowsfemme
2006-07-12 11:43 pm UTC (link)
Thanks for posting this!

God what I would give for FFS.

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[info]soylentmean
2006-07-16 05:10 pm UTC (link)
No problem, glad they were helpful. Keep saving those pennies!

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[info]morganxpage
2006-07-12 11:45 pm UTC (link)
Beautiful!

~Morgan

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[info]soylentmean
2006-07-16 05:12 pm UTC (link)
Thanks, Morgan - I appreciate it! *happy happy*

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*smiles*
[info]g3m1n1
2006-07-12 11:46 pm UTC (link)
You're beautiful.

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Re: *smiles*
[info]soylentmean
2006-07-16 05:13 pm UTC (link)
Thanks, Mr. Dragon Guy! :)

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[info]vindicatedcam
2006-07-12 11:55 pm UTC (link)
Looks Amazing!!!!

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[info]soylentmean
2006-07-16 05:13 pm UTC (link)
Thank you thank you!

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[info]rajiotaiso
2006-07-13 12:19 am UTC (link)
You look stunningly amazing. I'm FTM and I only have one real MTF friend, and she had FFS before I met her (at around the same age? -- right before grad school), so I had nothing to compare to, but you look like... I dunno, amazing and beautiful (and I never comment on those posts which require a "lookin' good!"). The most recent look suits you well, too (I could swear I'd seen you in Eugene, land of hippies). Plus, I'm in med school and have dissected the face and it is so fucking cool that he was able to do all that and leave you looking so flawless.

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[info]soylentmean
2006-07-16 05:24 pm UTC (link)
Oh, Eugene. Or Berkeley. *sighs with wanderlust*

I really appreciate you commenting and complimenting, means a lot to me! Are you going to med school for maxillofacial work or the like?

Peace out, man. ;)

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(no subject) - [info]rajiotaiso, 2006-07-17 12:36 am UTC

[info]inkscarred
2006-07-13 12:41 am UTC (link)
(another ftm here)--you look beautiful... so natural and your smile just brings it out more. i'm glad this went so well... just amazing.

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[info]soylentmean
2006-07-16 05:21 pm UTC (link)
Thanks inkscarred! *big grin!*

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[info]milagro75
2006-07-13 12:51 am UTC (link)
I think you looked beautiful before, and your new look is stunning as well. =)

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[info]soylentmean
2006-07-16 05:18 pm UTC (link)
Thanks, and super-duper-double thanks!

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[info]gharbad
2006-07-13 02:54 am UTC (link)
Awesome!

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[info]soylentmean
2006-07-16 05:18 pm UTC (link)
Thanks, gharbad!

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[info]lost_angelwings
2006-07-13 05:16 am UTC (link)
>_<;;

That looked painful. But I think the results are very good. :)

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[info]soylentmean
2006-07-16 05:18 pm UTC (link)
Not too painful, given the stacks and stacks of Valium and Vicodin. Thanks anyways, though!

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[info]frightful_elk
2006-07-13 02:13 pm UTC (link)
Wow, It's an amazing change, your thoughts on FFS and transition in general were really enlightning, i didn't realise it could make such a big difference to a life, i'm really glad your happy! You look great! I would never of thought you'd had surgery.

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[info]soylentmean
2006-07-16 05:20 pm UTC (link)
Thanks, Ethan. I'm glad you found it enlightening; I sure have learned a whole lot in the last eight months. People sure do change their tune when they feel they have a good, solid grip on your gender. Weirdos!

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[info]dj_cpi
2006-07-13 06:38 pm UTC (link)
Wow! How much did that cost?

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[info]soylentmean
2006-07-13 06:42 pm UTC (link)
Roughly $25k, including the cost of driving from Minneapolis to Chicago, lodging for one week, food, and the surgery itself.

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(no subject) - [info]dj_cpi, 2006-07-13 07:22 pm UTC

[info]haily_is_alive
2006-07-14 09:32 am UTC (link)
You look so beautiful. Such a dramatic change. I am so jealous. Before seeing your photos, I was kinda iffy about FFS, but now I totally want to get some done.

Now for the hard part. Getting the money.

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[info]soylentmean
2006-07-16 05:17 pm UTC (link)
Yah, it's not cheap. Keep saving up, and I'm sure you'll get there. :)

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[info]justanormalgirl
2006-07-19 10:09 pm UTC (link)
Wow, you are so cute. I love your hair. You'd blend right into my hippie town :-)

Yeah, like everyone else, I wish I could afford FFS. But at this time last year, I was homeless so being able to afford rent and food is very good progress for me. I hope to afford more laser. Eventually, I'd love to get FFS. I think, in general, plastic surgery is kinda creepy and vain but I just want to look more normal. I see how much change you had -- where you went from fairly passable to adorable and I want that for myself.

I think some of it definitely comes with time and being further into transition. The more you can just see yourself as just another girl and not have to think "oh god, do I pass today?" then you can be so much more relaxed and develop your own style and be able to better express your own personality.

Guys tell me that most of a girl's attractiveness comes in her personality. Certainly that's true but it doesn't hurt to be cute as well!

Good luck and thank for the inspiration!

PS: I'm the girl who IM'ed you today. This is my trans journal. I hope to talk to you again.

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Dear.
[info]rosielizzy
2007-08-24 07:49 pm UTC (link)
OH MY GOD !!!!! If this is your photograph what is wrong ?????? You look very passable very feminine. Why do you want FFS ? I have to buy a digital camera to show everyone of how lucky they are . Oh my god. Once you see my photograph you will think god you are a very beautiful woman !!!!!

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Nice
[info]neumannesque
2006-08-11 01:56 am UTC (link)
I'm so happy your results are so impressive. You're gorgeous. Congrats! :) Your in Minneapolis huh? I'm in the metro...let me know if you might be interested in meeting up sometime.

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Re: Nice
[info]soylentmean
2006-08-14 02:29 am UTC (link)
Hey, thanks, much appreciated! It looks like we went to the same elementary, middle, and high school - even overlapped a couple times. Crazy world, if only we'd run into each other.

I'd love to get together sometime, what nights usually work well for you? You can just send me an email (april at twoevils daht org) if you'd prefer.

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Re: Nice - [info]soylentmean, 2006-10-24 08:11 pm UTC
Re: Nice - [info]neumannesque, 2006-10-25 01:44 am UTC
now do not feel so bad
(Anonymous)
2006-10-20 03:53 am UTC (link)
Hi , i just had my FFS done like three weeks ago, and as normal having post sugary, but because all the swelling it feels like nothing has changed, but seeing Your results has helped lots, guess i need to let the swelling go down , so just a note to say thanks
jaded

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Re: now do not feel so bad
[info]soylentmean
2006-10-24 08:10 pm UTC (link)
My pleasure, it is relieving to know how many changes happen a few months out.

Congratulations!

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Re: now do not feel so bad - (Anonymous), 2007-07-06 12:15 am UTC
FFS inspiration
(Anonymous)
2006-10-23 10:21 pm UTC (link)
just wanted to say how great i think your FFS surgery results were! and you were very pretty to begin with!...i am 37, and started therapy back when i was 30...just kept postponing, delaying, stalling...blink of an eye and here i am almost 40...and nothing's changed...i'm still who i've always been...so now i'm doing something about it...and i too checked with dr. O in san fransisco...but your results inspired me to contact dr. Z...i also live in minnesota, so the proximity and reduced cost (and available financing) are very attractive. i would love to show you a picture of my male self, but i think i'd prefer to wait until i've had the surgery so i at least have a before/after set (don't want to scare anyone away). based on your knowledge and experience, how long would you recommend being on hormone therapy before scheduling surgery? is there a minimum? i can start HRT as early as january of 2007, and was wondering about scheduling surgery for early summer (June)....thoughts? thanks again and congratulations!

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Re: FFS inspiration
[info]soylentmean
2006-10-24 08:16 pm UTC (link)
I dunno, I'd wait a year or so before settling on FFS. HRT can change quite a lot on your face, and you might feel like you don't need it.

There is no minimum required length of time you have to wait, though. I started 'mones in January, 2005 and had FFS in October, 2005, but I really really did not like my face.

Hope that helps!

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Re: FFS inspiration - (Anonymous), 2006-10-25 08:55 pm UTC
You Look Great !
(Anonymous)
2006-11-07 01:29 pm UTC (link)
HI Girl gotta say you look great ! I am thinking about FFS and I'm trying to choose between DR Z or DR Spegial. and wondering if at my age I should even bother with FFS. I've gotten my GRS done an dBreast implants and I pass 80 to 90 % of the time. I Love to hear if you've Got any advice ? you can see my picture and my profile at sweetbrandigirl2004@yahoo.com take a look and tell me what you think.

HUGS

Brandi

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Re: You Look Great !
[info]soylentmean
2006-12-03 08:08 pm UTC (link)
35 is plenty young! My advice is to talk to both surgeons, and look at the pictures in ffs-support. Good luck!

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from afar..
[info]scorpioblue
2006-11-17 01:32 pm UTC (link)
all my life ive struggled with my identity.to the point i am despondant of ever reaching a desired result.i was some say"feminine"when younger and as i age i feel so horribly masculine.ahh im sorry to offload..april.i saw yrface and clicked on it and saw the transformation..and was mesmerised.i have seen many other pictures..but your smile and the radiance at the end of it all.was breathtaking.obviously your soul was now at rest.i am nowhere near that..i have no means to have the surgery..the expense seems so unattainable..i have reached the ripe old age of 37 and live in australia..i have depression and a physical illness..all in all a good recipe for the glums..fearnot i carry on..!i know my real face isnt masculine.im not afraid of pain..ive had 2 operations already..{free.rhinoseptoplasty}so.its a start.well i prattle on..thank you for reaching someone acroos the globe..i can only hope i too can smile one day in the mirror and like what i see...and know that others see th ereal me too/

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Re: from afar..
[info]sally_tpol
2006-12-16 07:36 pm UTC (link)
Hi there scorpioblue, I am also from Australia, and have only just recently come to terms with what I have known all my life, and I have made the decision to transition. A very difficult decision, but each day, as I read more, and more I know it is the right decision.

I am 30 years old, but only look about 20 - 25, so I guess I am lucky in that sence, but I am still scared of loosing my parents, I have come to terms that I will loose my only friend, as I know he will never understand nor comprehend just what I am going though, unfortunately. I haven't told anyone yet, but I have decided to start permanent removal of facial hair (not that I have heaps) and investigate hormones, and then look at plastic surgery to at least get rid of the damn adams apple (I HATE IT), and see what I can do from there.

If you want someone in Australia to talk to, please drop me a message on my profile, cause I would love to have a friend who I can speak to was well, who understands what all us girls go through. I know I have a tough road ahead, but I need to take that road, otherwise, I will continue to find it hard to interact with the rest of society, because I am constantly putting on a boy facade just to get though life, and I cannot do it any longer.

So it is time for me to emerge, and get this problem fixed, and become the girl I always have been, but could not be.

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